4/24/07 Pelican Point to Provo Boat Harbor side 115L/6.7M

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4/24/07 Pelican Point to Provo Boat Harbor side 115L/6.7M

Postby RickHeninger » Wed Apr 25, 2007 12:44 pm

It was a fun session... Water's starting to really HEAT up now! Lewis I hope you made it to your daughter's bday party... The only casualties of windsurfing/riding happen to be those important appointments we risk by making one more reach! I hope you got some rides.

Anyway, yes the Chocolate Milk Crossing was a success... We crossed to the other side and got our pick up ride back. Thanks Bim!... It was a fun adventure... Surfing the swell for 7 miles is fun...

We (Josh S. and I) did it with marginal wind, so I imagine with a 20+ consistent wind it'd be a blast straight down to PVU... And for Sarah, Carl, Dimitri and all others who have the power upwind gear a trip back...

With a chase boat, this would be quite an adventure... It's what they do in Maui... In Maui, Matt Pritchard and group do an annual sail over to the big Island or to another island as a way to foster comradery and bring in the new season... They stay close in a group... Somebody goes down, the whole group stops for a minute, so they stay somewhat together with a buddy system... A chase boat at times for added safety... Sounds fun... In the Gorge, they do the big downwinder... Here? We're not Maui or the Gorge, but something like this could be fun... ;)
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Postby Marty Lowe » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:30 pm

You could quite easily do PV harbor, to the south beaches.
ULSSB would be easy, but no access now.
Going to Lincoln beach isn't that much further.
Always safer with chase boat.

How about a yearly downwinder for all windriders?

Lindon to Lincoln. Straight downwind to ULSSB,
then SW to Lincoln. Party/camping at the Lincoln Beach Pavilion.
Set a weekend date with a couple of alternate dates.
(looking back at my calendar the last 3 years,
evenings at the end of August, first of Sept. have been OK for Utah Lake wind.)
Probably safer in the fall with warm water temps.

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Postby jason morton » Wed Apr 25, 2007 2:43 pm

Ryan and I have planning a big downwinder for awhile. Charles and Matt Davis have done a downwinder from PVU to SSB before. Then Matt thought he would spend the night at mud lake on the water ski judges dock. The possible downwinders are as follows:

1) AF boat harbor to SSB then Lincoln(optional)
2) Saratoga to PVU to SSB then Lincoln(optional)
3) Saratoga to Lincoln (this is the most risky. Boat support would be nice)
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Postby RickHeninger » Wed Apr 25, 2007 3:00 pm

Now you guys are talkin'!

This is what I'm talking about... And this is why we did a test run...

Sarah and I have talked about this a leetle bit...

I've already made contact with a guy who owns a school bus company in Provo who would for $100 give us a ride from Provo Boat Harbor to Pelican Marina... That's $100 total... $50 for me, $50 for him... J/K of course... Now that sounds like a riot... Back to school!

My brother has already committed to being one of the chase boats... But, if it ended up in a rescue, more gas etc...

We'll have to talk about the logistics and liabilities but I think that something like this would do quite a bit for our sports... They don't even do the Blowout now with kites in the Gorge because of liability, which sucks. But Les and Brian could get involved with the Kiting part of it. There's all kinds of ways to make it safer. Buddy systems of three people who stay together no matter what... Beacons (avalanche)... Lights (heaven forbid)... But these are things we'd have to talk about...But it'd make for some great Tom Smart pics...

Only thing is, Sarah wants to sail there and back! ;) She can do it too!

It would also be a good litmus test for the mini windsurfer race circuit Josh has been percolating about...

And be a great Opener to the season, and/or a closer to the season for those of us, Who DON'T live in Maui, or Who DON'T live in the Gorge...

DISCLAIMER: I WOULD NOT TRY TO CROSS UNLESS YOU ARE EXPERIENCED AND KNOW THE WIND CONDTIONS ARE GOING TO REMAIN WITH HIGH CERTAINTY.

ALSO, GUARANTY THAT YOU HAVE PEOPLE ON SHORE WHO KNOW THAT YOU'LL BE SOMEWHERE AT A GIVEN TIME. OR THEY CALL RESCUE.

ALSO, HAVE ONE OR MORE BUDDIES.

FINALLY, FOR WINDSURFERS, I TIED A BACKUP LINE AROUND THE DOWNHAUL AND OUTHAUL AND UPHAUL, AND CARRIED AN EXTRA UNIVERSAL. Note: Extra line is about a foot and a half of outhaul or downhaul line, through both anchor points and tie a knot of your choice and approval. You wouldn't have to sit in the water trying to downhaul.

COMMON SENSE IS YOUR BEST ASSET


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this would be a great and fun adventure!

Postby Sarah Ranes » Thu Apr 26, 2007 8:35 am

Marty, I like the idea of gettting all you dark side wind riders involved, we hardly see you any more, or get to enjoy riding the wind with you. Does your calander show any dates in the spring that would be promising? I think the camp out at Lincoln would be fun. Maybe a Sat. night, camp out. If a spring outing works out....maybe a fall outing too?

I like Rick's idea of support boat, that would make every one feel safer, and make sure that everyone got back to the beach. I like Rick's idea of small groups to watch out for each other, and stay together. Rick...we just need a bit more planning, to put this together.

I hope everyone will keep the ideas coming, this could be really fun.
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Postby Marty Lowe » Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:32 am

Sarah,
I don't kite Utah Lake in the spring much, because Rush is so much more windy/predictable and closer for the drive home. Looking back at my kite log, it has been Rush in the sping every year.

Dean..... do you have any logs on the spring winds. (or any one else)

On a downwinder,,,,Windsurfers won't need to worry about kiters being in the way. We'll lose most windsurfers in our dust...... :wink:

In my opinion it will be more fun to make it last and have fun on the ride downwind, more than it becoming a race. But I'm sure I will be out voted in this respect.

I'm going to start a thread on the message board on this subject.

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Postby RickHeninger » Thu Apr 26, 2007 4:56 pm

Ha! Marty I know this about the dust thing... And prefer it to be a recreational jaunt down... Right with you Marty, but you know these things turn into a race... But it's all in great fun! Also, it did sound a little like I was talking out of both sides of my mouth there about the Kites not being invited to do the blowout anymore... The one kiter used waterskiis to kite straight to Hood River, I'm sure you've heard... That's what makes it amazing that Dale Cook beat him a couple of times... (asterisk asterisk)... But I would expect it to be a Windrider thing... No question... How about one windsurfer teams up with one Kiteboarder timewise, the lowest combined time, wins... Many options:

In the Gorge Blowout, the Kiters started 15 minutes before the windsurfers... The Kites have at least twice the area to use for downwind so it's a no brainer...

In fact, I'd eventually like to see a short kiting clinic or on shore demonstration for windsurfers on the new safer kiting technology... Just like Robby Naish says, it's good to be well rounded! ;)

This first time we do this, I would really like to keep it simple, Pelican to Provo Boat Harbor... See it go safely once, learn from it and then expand it after that possibly... It's just something that we need, a Season Opener... Much reward could come from it. I'll show some of the ideas I've written down if you're interested...

WEATHER: As far as the weather question goes. Here's my proposal... We watch the forecasts... If we see a good north option day... Ask Craig about it or have him give us a good 3 day heads up... I post a 2 to 3 DAY OFFICIAL HEADS UP UTAH LAKE CROSSING ALERT (Still coming up with the best name for it... First Annual Cocoa Crossing, First Annual Donnor Party Windstyle, etc. Ideas?)... Then the day of we make a more confirmed call for that day... YES or NO... Plan on a start of around 3:30PM to 4:00PM NO LATER... It's 7.8 miles to PVU. If you make a bee-line, that's ~10MPH to finish in an hour... One ZigZag is about 12 miles... But we'd really make the call of yea or nay, at the launch. Hopefully Craig would be there! ;) We'd have a "Skippers Meeting" 30 minutes before start... Go over the safety reminders, rules reminder, to see groups of 3 or more, make sure everyone is part of a mini group...

STARTING LINE: I'm not sure what they call this start or if it even exists... But 15 minutes before start the boat would put up a flag (Shirley and I were thinking skull and crossbones :twisted: )... Then 5 minutes before start, blow a blow horn and wave flag... Kiters start lining up on a vector behind/not crossing the perpendicular 150ft to the back of the boat that will be heading toward the Y (just north of the Provo Boat Harbor) at about 5 MPH... Then when the 5 Minutes is up, flag goes down and boat punches it... Kites are off... 15 minutes later, the windsurfers would be off... So the kiters leaving would signify the beginning of the 15 minutes before windsurfers leaving... The reason for a vector start and not a rabbit start is to get people on the right "trajectory" and ensuring that people are relatively together... Especially windsurfers...

SAFETY: Manditory groups of three. Pick your group according to relative predicted crossing time. Groups must stay relatively close... A buddy system... You don't leave that group... Stop, stall, do whatever you'd have to in order to stay with group... Boat(s) would do their best to keep an eye on people... Signals for distress... Stand up on your board as well as possible and wave arms if you are in trouble... Kites, have an advantage that they stay above water, windsurfers are a little harder to spot... Maybe require a kite to stay close to a couple windsurfers... How's that for building comradery between the sports...

I might even ask Ty Hunter (Utah Lake State Park Manager-Ranger) if he would like to follow us in one of their boats to learn about our sports... I mean, they need to know about how our sports work... We use the lake they patrol... It might also help him to see HOW MANY OF US THERE ARE, and the needs that we have as far as launches etc... It'd be a great way to prime that pump...

I agree with Sarah, keep the ideas coming...In fact, please start emailing me with things that you'd like to see from the UWA or ideas you have... But I really would like to keep it pretty simple this first time for safety/research reasons... Then we get a little more ambitious and make it a longer trip some other time... I'm with you Jason, I love the long distance stuff... And Marty, you're the GSL Bird Island Magellan... ;) So, I know you guys have it in you!

By the Way, where would Kiters launch from at Pelican Bay Marina?

OK, so those are just some of the ways I'd like to do it the first time... Once again we'd really need to keep it simple in order to make it work with schedules etc... Plus, if we do the $100 bus back to Pelican, we need to keep everyone at PVU... Of course, whoever wanted to continue on, that's your choice, but as far as a group thing would go... Pelican to PVU... We'll let you know...

KEEP YOUR EYES OPEN AS WE COLLABORATE ON THIS... I THINK WE'RE VERY SERIOUS ABOUT DOING THIS, BUT WE'D HAVE TO STILL DO IT WHILE WE HAVE SOME NORTHS IN THE OPTIONS...

Spence or other moderators, could you please move this post to the message board possibly?
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Postby Craig Goudie » Fri Apr 27, 2007 9:03 am

If we planned it over and back, it would be simpler. I've done it, and it is
a good long sail. Just a thought,

-Craig

RickHeninger wrote:OK, so those are just some of the ways I'd like to do it the first time... Once again we'd really need to keep it simple in order to make it work with schedules etc... Plus, if we do the $100 bus back to Pelican, we need to keep everyone at PVU... Of course, whoever wanted to continue on, that's your choice, but as far as a group thing would go... Pelican to PVU... We'll let you know...

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8'4" OO Fat Boy, 7'9" OO Slasher, 7'4" Goya SurfWave
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Postby RickHeninger » Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:04 pm

Craig,

Ah, a closet crosser! ;) I hear you... And Sarah... I'm in full agreement about eventually doing the Journey... But only those with real upwind gear and experience should do the return trip...

Plus, that really increases the time and gas on the SUPPORT BOATS... But I am all for it... Although they will probaby "Put in" at Pelican...

I think for sure this first time... Pelican Marina is just a great start. Clean, plus if it is called off, it'll still make for an awesome session... Also, Pelican is a relative straight shot for the support boats...
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